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September 8, 2008, 9:31 am

A new (legal) way to rip DVDs

By Michal Lev-Ram

SAN DIEGO, Calif. – For years tech-savvy movie buffs had to rely on illegal software to copy DVDs onto computer hard drives. Now a new program from Real Networks (RNWK) aims to make it easy — and legal — for anyone to rip their movie collection onto PCs.

Real, a Seattle-based digital media company, unveiled its DVD-copying software Monday at DEMO, a two-day technology conference in San Diego, Calif. The company says its new program, called RealDVD, doesn’t tamper with copy-protection technology and even prevents the illegal distribution of movies online. The $30 software will allow users to save one copy of each movie they own on a Windows-running computer. To transfer to other computers, customers will have to buy additional copies of the software.

Why would anyone pay $30 to back up their DVD collection on a PC? So they can watch flicks they already paid for on their laptop without the hassle of lugging around discs (this could be especially convenient for business travelers).

But while Real’s technology can copy the contents of a DVD without breaking its built-in copy-protection (meaning users who transfer a movie to their computer won’t then be able to share it online or distribute it), the company has no way of verifying that the DVDs you copy to your PC are yours. They could also be movies you rented from Blockbuster (BBI) or borrowed from a friend.

And that, in turn, could be problematic for Hollywood studios, which have fought hard for years to protect DVDs from piracy. For the most part, they’ve been successful – up until now, ripping a DVD has been a lot more complicated than copying a CD.

why copy when you can watch for free : http://www.cinesmart.net

Posted By sarah : December 9, 2008 8:30 pm

Wow why go to the trouble when you can just watch movies for free at blinkBox.com?

Posted By Natalie, London : September 29, 2008 6:47 am

Hollywood is just plain dumb. First they force you to watch first run movies in over-priced theaters with insanely over-priced concession items. Then they distribute the same content on over-priced, fragile DVDs and now they want you to pay again and again for different digital formats like HD-DVD, Blu-ray, Sony PSP, Aple iPod, iPhone, Zune, etc., etc. Until a fair business model is developed with fair prices AND that protects consumer’s Fair Use rights, there will always be bootlegs and dvd copy software like the ones listed at: http://www.dvdxcopy.com

Posted By Gary Wang, Hollywood, CA : September 14, 2008 6:32 am

Consumers can’t keep paying multiple times for the same content. For every new device and format, they want you to pay again and again. Until a fair business model is developed, consumers will always copy, convert and / or backup digital content. There are so many new and better dvd copy software programs. Most of the new and best dvd backup software programs are listed, rankd and reviewed at the old 321 Studios (DVD X Copy) website: http://www.dvdxcopy.com

Posted By dvd copy software : September 12, 2008 11:06 pm

Give the customer what he wants, and he will pay for it.
The recording industry lacks the understanding that they can never outpace technology! No matter how greedy they become. The more they fight the more fun it is to fight back!
Napster worked because it was a better delivery system, not because it was free! Look at the $success of ITunes… I will not use Pay-Per-View or On-Demand anymore because I can’t record content now, even though I normally watch a movie only once and don’t pirate, it’s just doesn’t meet my needs anymore. Piracy really doesn’t cost them much as they would have us believe because it’s doubtful most people would actually buy what they are copying if they had to buy it.

Posted By Rob, Atlanta, GA : September 11, 2008 6:37 pm

“rely on illegal software to copy DVDs”?

I copy DVDs using legal software I did pay for and it works great. No need to use illegal software. Does Fortune have a deal with Blockbuster? Why mention them when Netflix is #1 in that area? Don’t understand why people buy a DVD then copy it to their HDD? I rent from Netflix and copy to my computer then burn to DVD. Some I down-sample to put on my iPod touch, not paying iTunes $15 for a movie with no extra content – major ripoff!! When I can rent 3-4 movies (or more) a month from Netflix for $10, copy to my computer and get extra’s. I like iTunes and Apple, but they need to rethink their movie buy pricing and rental use time.

I understand I’m a techie-nerd and most aren’t willing to do all this, so maybe this Real program is good for them. I personally don’t like Real, but that’s just me.

Posted By Travis, Fremont, CA : September 10, 2008 3:55 pm

Yes Greg the movie execs only know how to waste everyones time and money and cripple the very people they portend to appeal to – the consumer. The answer is so simple – in fact I even wrote and called the MPAA about it and was blown off. Since when did one have to spend thousands of dollars to ’serve’ an idea that is based on current technology? Sorry – I am only a single person with an idea on how to make them billions. What do I get? “We only accept communications from legitimate companies”. No Greg – open your eyes and see why the MPAA only uses legal means – because they can claim ‘victim’ status and all their lawyer friends get rich from all the bloddy fees! The answer is there and they know it. If only the MPAA wanted to change with the times and innovate rather than try and keep everyone in the stone age. The consumer will get what they want – question is does the MPAA want to make money off of it or not. If so I would love to hear from one exec that truly wanted to move the MPAA ahead about 30 years. Until then, they reap what they have sown.

Posted By M.S.W. Tampa, FL : September 10, 2008 2:47 am

Legal ? Just because you might have an encrypted copy of a movie on your PC doesn’t make it a legal copy.

What do the studio execs have to say about this ?

Posted By Greg Ebert, Portland, OR : September 9, 2008 6:45 pm

Why buy what’s already free? Mac The Ripper is a free program and copies all dvds.

Posted By Art Ranchero, Oakland Ca : September 9, 2008 3:27 pm

Why someone would use this service is simply because they don’t know about any of the other free ways to perform this function.

Posted By Phil Brooklyn, NY : September 9, 2008 2:52 pm

The legality of programs like DVDShrink, etc. has never been tested in court. The MPAA doesn’t want that, as they’d likely lose on the grounds of fair use. The assumption that these programs are “illegal”, without any precedent stating such, is simply incorrect.

Posted By Nick, CA : September 9, 2008 12:48 pm

DVDDecrypter is all you need. Its still available as a free download in Korea. The reason why MacroVision shut it down is because it would give you a perfect, protection-free copy of the original disk!

Posted By FuqMPAA, Portland, OR : September 9, 2008 11:55 am

where’s the “news”…HANDBRAKE

Posted By Anonymous : September 9, 2008 11:54 am

I really don’t understand why it’s so hard to copy your own disks too start with. All this copyright stuff encourages legal owners to buy illegal programs.

And this program isn’t sufficient for legal owners.

Posted By Bill, Sandusky, Ohio : September 9, 2008 1:16 am

DVD SHRINK, ANY DVD,

Thats all you need. This news is a joke.

Posted By Anonymous : September 8, 2008 11:57 pm

one copy, this is crap. To add, the program is $30. i should not have to pay for software that will backup a dvd i paid for. this is one of the reasons i buy used dvds that cost around $5.

Posted By angelo, l.a. : September 8, 2008 10:35 pm

Hate to break it to all the DMCA fans but there has not been one movie that could not be ripped/duplicated that has come out yet. Even the Sony rootkit debacle a couple years ago – which forced me to use an older version of 321 Studios DVDXCopy – but when there is a will there is a way. I only use this skill to watch a movie from my computer WITHOUT having to have a disc. Call it an honor amongst theives but I never give them to anyone, only for personal use. IMHO, the reason corporatized America does not get it about how to make money from people like me is because they don’t want to think out of the box. They can not see past their own greedy selves. The solution is so simple (about 15-20 million to fix the long term problem and then $$ generated would pay for any expansion) but I am not the kind to start my own company. Too bad the RIAA/MPAA punish all the legit people while I watch both first run and DVDs for free. Ironic isnt it.

Posted By M.S.W. Tampa, FL : September 8, 2008 9:24 pm

I hate to correct you but the DMCA made it illegal to circumvent or even disseminate information about how t circumvent copy protection of any type. Fair Use (making backup copies for your own use) still exists as long as you do NOT have to tamper with copy protection to do it. Which is rediculous, the DMCA is too far reaching, the laws need to be changed. The consumer gets the short end of the stick. Pirates can break any copy protection out there, those of us who are honest are the only people the copy protection affects.

Posted By Mike, Cincinnati, OH : September 8, 2008 7:03 pm

Charge reasonable prices for DVDs and no one will copy them. How about $2 apiece.

Posted By jack, Phoenix, AZ : September 8, 2008 6:40 pm

why copy when you can watch for free @ http://www.watch-movies.net

Posted By CT : September 8, 2008 6:34 pm

why would i pay $30 for software when i can download it for free haha…

Posted By andy, seattle wa : September 8, 2008 5:51 pm

like they said markAnthony…

“the hassle of lugging around discs.”

when i’m traveling, the last thing i need along with my luggage, laptop and carry on is a bunch of dvd’s that take up more space, can be lost and/or damaged.

this sounds like great software for us busy travelers that love our own movies on the planes and in hotels etc not to mention the home.

bloatware mau? do you actually know how to use software? (and prevent it from bloating your drives with unnecessary crap) if not, go back to computer basics 101. this is very practical.

Posted By maddawg, wash. DC : September 8, 2008 5:50 pm

No thanks, Real. We will continue to use free, illegal software that can do infinite rips of a DVD with three or four clicks of the mouse.

Posted By Tom, San Diego, CA : September 8, 2008 5:11 pm

Man, just rent a movie from RedBox. Typically, people watched once and done. I rent one and return it the next day. Plus, no wait time for download, clog up virtual space (hard drive, back in the days, VHS takes up real room space).

Posted By Mike Tsen, Oakland, CA : September 8, 2008 5:07 pm

I don’t get it. Why are you saying this program is legal and other programs are illegal? They are covered under the same laws.

Or is this one “legal” simply because it is sold by a large, recognized corporation? If this exact product was something that had been posted on the internet by someone who wrote it himself, I bet you would call it illegal.

The DMCA is an outrage, anyway. I would like to see laws that explicitly guarantee the right of consumers to make backup copies, and that would outlaw DRM as “circumvention of legitimate copying mechanisms”.

Posted By David, New Orleans, LA : September 8, 2008 4:51 pm

Uh, what LEGAL products are those?? I think you are pretty confused.

Posted By Pete, Shoreline, WA : September 8, 2008 4:17 pm

Many new compact laptops will not even include an optical drive so the comment that DVD’s are not hard to take with you is irrelevant for some people. The MPAA thinks fair use is to pay them everytime, every device.

Posted By Larry, York PA : September 8, 2008 4:11 pm

Mike, do you own stock in Real? This sounds like an advertising piece. You should have your press credentials revoked – Oh, wait, they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on anyway.

Posted By Heath, Ft Worth, TX : September 8, 2008 3:29 pm

Just why would anyone trade one DRM system for Real’s DRM?? Especially when there are plenty of viable alternatives. I did not even know they were still a solvent company… or maybe this is their ‘Hail Mary’… sure sounds like it.

Posted By anon, main st, usa : September 8, 2008 3:17 pm

this was a stupid invention

Posted By Anonymous : September 8, 2008 3:09 pm

My question is con you burn the saved copy of the DVD. It one ting to be on the computer but another if we can also burn it. A 25 pack of blank DVDs are 10 buck when on sale, if we could at least on copy than this software is all we neeed.

Posted By David, Thousand Oaks, Ca : September 8, 2008 2:44 pm

@Michael… actually, while the DMCA states we CAN make copies of DVDs, as well as other media, they also don’t allow us to rip the copyright protection code from the DVDs – it’s a catch-22 all around.

Posted By Fred, Tempe, AZ : September 8, 2008 2:05 pm

This “article” sounds more like an industry press release… Not only is the source of the software dubious (Real Networks is notorious for their inefficient and ineffective design), the premise that a consumer would have to buy another copy of the software to make another copy of a DVD they already own is outrageous. Save yourself the trouble and purchase one of the many legal DVD copying programs already available.

Posted By Tyler, New York, NY : September 8, 2008 2:00 pm

As much as I think piracy is wrong, there is no way you can stop the copying of 1’s and 0’s. You can only delay it. If a computer can read it, it can copy it.

Posted By Eric, ME : September 8, 2008 1:46 pm

Michael 10:17am: As I understand it, Fair Use grants you the right to make a backup copy of your media for your own personal use. But the Digital Millennium Copyright Act makes it illegal to circumvent anti-piracy encryption (like you find on DVD’s). So you are in fact breaking the law according to the DMCA when you backup a DVD, even though the doctrine of fair use gives you that right.

Posted By Niki, Arlington TX : September 8, 2008 1:39 pm

Any one can copy a DVD using ANY DVD software, readily available on the internet. This is nothing new, but is probably illegal, I`m not sure. I`ve also known some people to use NERO to make copies.

Posted By Bob, Minneapolis, MN : September 8, 2008 1:29 pm

“The hassle of lugging around discs”???

DVDs weigh next to nothing and you can fit a 10 of them in a normal movie case.

Posted By Mark-Anthony, Tampa FL : September 8, 2008 11:48 am

Absurd to worry about copying from rental stores. People have done this since the beginning of rental stores. Has everyone forgotten VHS?

Posted By Sam, Atlanta, GA : September 8, 2008 11:04 am

Why somebody already have been making illegal copy for years will use this software?

Posted By Baboo, New York NY : September 8, 2008 10:23 am

Screw that. Real releases nothing but bloatware. Real tech-savvy users will not touch anything made by Real. Besides, why keep a 4.x GB assortment of VOB files on your PC/laptop when you can have it encoded with DiVx/AC3 for extremely similar quality for a fraction (~700MB) of the size. Who cares if it’s legal? The question is, is it practical?

Posted By Mau : September 8, 2008 10:21 am

I hate to dissapoint you, but there are dozens of legal software applications for backing up your DVDs.

It has never been illegal to make backups for youself.

Posted By Michael, Ashland Ohio : September 8, 2008 10:17 am
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